A Changing Role for Gwen: Series 3 Speculation NO BASHING!

[nikkonekko]

I'm assuming that TW team will eventually bring in 2 new team members to replace Owen and Toshisko. So Gwen should be considered an "old hand" by now. I can't logically see that will want to use Gwen as the "wide eyed" audience gateway character anymore. Do you all think they will use Gwen's character differently in the new series? I'm thinking and hoping they will. What are your thoughts?

[owlpost1992]

Maybe her PoV will change from wide eyed innocent to bashing newbies and keeping an eye on Janto :dontknow:

[ElectroxGirl]

I think the fact that they have just lost two of their team will change their characters. Whether it's a good change or not we don't know.
I hope Gwen will see everything differently now though. Even though she's been at Torchwood for a while things still surprise her amd not the others.

Dont know if that makes sense but hey...it's late.

[owlpost1992]

I'm thinking the Gwen we saw in Adrift, the tough/hard/uncaring Gwen is what we'll get for a little bit.

[kolo]

I really dislike Gwen, it would take a lot of change to her character for me to like her.

[Kezzy]

I think they will all change in different ways after all thats happened.

[Summer]

Gwen is a difficult charchter for me - i just find it hard to like her after the way shes scripted.
I hope she does change to being less doting and the slightly *fake* innocent look i get from her ( just how i see it )
i hope she grows up a bit after all shes married and take a more active role as being the second in command as she is.

[blaid drwg]

I dont really think she's been as wide eyed as she was in series one, she has changed hence Andy's comments about how she's changed, she has become more hardened to what TW throws at her.

[ElectroxGirl]

At the Rift Eve spoke about Gwen and really explains more about her character. I can't remember what she said (something about the way she reacts to things I think) but if they put it all in the script I think it would have made her more likable.

[owlpost1992]

I'd like them to put her on the back burner for a bit and the newbies be shown more, kind of have her in Tosh's role...

[whowherewhyhow]

I'm thinking the Gwen we saw in Adrift, the tough/hard/uncaring Gwen is what we'll get for a little bit.

My thoughts exactly! That is quite likely, she might just shut down for a while having lost Tosh and Owen, and with Jack/Ianto's relationship changing.

[Kaleidoscope]

Gwen was amazing in Exit Wounds. And I've spent the rest of the two series disliking her but in Exit Wounds when she took charge of the police force like that - I was truely impressed. If that's the Gwen we're getting next series, I'd be okay with it. And yes she needs to ditch the wide-eyed innocent look. She's been there for a while, she's now second-in-command, she's married, she's seen a lot, it's time for her to change. Let someone else be the newbie.

[Tristan]

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[Summer]

yeah i think she might feel a bit aleinated because Jack and Ianot get it that people in TW do die early - ofcourse they will be upset but not at emotionally so as Gwen. Gwen had a more connection to them and Jack and Ianto have each other to comfort themselves...

[nikkonekko]

Gwen was amazing in Exit Wounds. And I've spent the rest of the two series disliking her but in Exit Wounds when she took charge of the police force like that - I was truely impressed. If that's the Gwen we're getting next series, I'd be okay with it. And yes she needs to ditch the wide-eyed innocent look. She's been there for a while, she's now second-in-command, she's married, she's seen a lot, it's time for her to change. Let someone else be the newbie.

I'm hoping for a stronger more professional Gwen to come through. Its hard to find female characters that aren't just foils for the male characters. Gwen's story arc in the first 2 series seemed too dependent on her relationships with the men on the show. Even in Adrift, it was her reaction to Andy that set the whole story in motion.

[Melissa_Jackson]

A Changing Role for Gwen: Series 3 Speculation -NO BASHING!-

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[nikkonekko]

A Changing Role for Gwen: Series 3 Speculation -NO BASHING!-

Awwww :censored2: lol xD

An exercise in restraint innit? :happy:

[clare616]

A Changing Role for Gwen: Series 3 Speculation -NO BASHING!-

Awwww :censored2: lol xD

An exercise in restraint innit? :happy:

:big_grin:


I'd just like to see her a bit more professional really, and a bit more even (that goes for the others as well). She'll definitly change in the next series and I'm really interested in the way they're going to do it. Mainly I want to see if they can turn her into a character the majority like rather than the other way around - that the title of this topic was necessary says it all really. I think she can easily be made more likeable without drastic changes and that's what I want more than anything.

[Summer]

:iagree:
we're not asking for much really!

[tszuj]

I think she's grown a lot since Everything Changes, she's not so wide eyed. And the audience is familiar with the show and the world of the show, so lets less need for an entry character or a girl next door type who people could identify with. Like on Doctor Who, Rose was more wide eyed and girl next door than Martha and Donna and I think that was needed to introduce a new audience to the show. I think it'd be a bit tired to have new characters being all like, "oh wow aliens are real?"

[Locke]

I hope she is everything but what she is now. I mean it's nice she is kind & gives everyone a chance etc, but I find it gets VERY annoying. If she became cold & hardened, a machine for her job & nothing else. I think that would be good for her. She should atleast shoot first. (I mean watching the original series the characters were much more fun nearer the end, changed from the warmer selves at the beginning). She takes things to personally to, she is just so unprofessional. I would rather she just got more with it like all the others members. (also Owen aint dead!)

[Emz]

i think she needs to be made into a less dominating member of the team... she needs less screen time so we can see some of the other characters develop..

[nikkonekko]

I liked her in Reset. She was very professional and worked well with everyone. Thats the Gwen I want for next series.


[spoiler:ho4nd0cn]I'm also hoping now that it is pretty much confirmed there will only be 5 episodes next series, and Gwen won't be the wide-eyed innocent anymore, we will get less of Gwen's point view on the show.[/spoiler:ho4nd0cn]

[Kaleidoscope]

i think she needs to be made into a less dominating member of the team... she needs less screen time so we can see some of the other characters develop..
Yeah that's a good point. Definately less screen-time. Give someone else a chance to tell their story.

[Locke]

Let someone else have a point of view! It seems like when she thinks something everyone follows suit

[TwilightPro101]

I think the fact that they have just lost two of their team will change their characters. Whether it's a good change or not we don't know.
I hope Gwen will see everything differently now though. Even though she's been at Torchwood for a while things still surprise her amd not the others.

Dont know if that makes sense but hey...it's late.

Makes perfect sense and have to agree entirely. They will change and expand and grow.

[jackthehat]

As Big Cook/Little Cook might have said on CBeebies, Gwen Cooper is hot-hot-hot!

Seriously though, didn't Gwen stop being the green innocent some time ago?

[Aquila]

I'm thinking the Gwen we saw in Adrift, the tough/hard/uncaring Gwen is what we'll get for a little bit.
I hope not. that Gwen pissed me off. She just doesn't know when to stop, and she was pushing Jack too far. Regardless of the fact that Jack SHOULD have trusted her...I think Ianto did the right thing, because Gwen should have known...but yeah. I hope she gains some maturity and perspective. (she isn't the only person who matters when it comes down to these things.)

[Aquila]

Gwen was amazing in Exit Wounds. And I've spent the rest of the two series disliking her but in Exit Wounds when she took charge of the police force like that - I was truely impressed. If that's the Gwen we're getting next series, I'd be okay with it. And yes she needs to ditch the wide-eyed innocent look. She's been there for a while, she's now second-in-command, she's married, she's seen a lot, it's time for her to change. Let someone else be the newbie.
I like this better. Gwen was much more like able and amazing in that episode. I can totally get on board with that Gwen. :good:

[Aquila]

i think she needs to be made into a less dominating member of the team... she needs less screen time so we can see some of the other characters develop..
yes, this too.

[lilflower]

I've always liked gwen, and also her questioning of torchwood and it's habits. I think she will become harder and take more of a leadership role. Exit wounds was amazing, bit so was day one.

[captaincarpet]

I think theres gonna be new members, but I think they will just help out, like a one off, I dont think they will be permanent members.

[dataf7]

I have to admit that Gwen's not my favorite. And sometimes she can be way too pushy. I don't like her tendency to order around everyone, even Jack sometimes. So I'm on board for a changed Gwen. She could be less fake. I really do mean her no offense.

[Autumn]

Ok, before you all ignore me for all time please read the whole post! ok here goes......

I actually quite like Gwen *Autumn ducks the rotten fruit being thrown her way!*

yes there are iritating sides to her character (sometimes she is a bit slow on the uptake!), but I think that just makes her a bit more real. I certainly think that she reacts the same way many of us would in certain situations, and maybe that is why many people dislike her, we often see our own character flaws in her.

Anyway thats my two pennth, and next season i think she will change as she has changed over the previous two seasons, and I am sure she will change in a way that we would recognise as a way we would change too.

[brandonna]

i quite like Gwen i think she has a good charicter but i hope she turns into someone really tough and hard. :crazy:

well you know what i meen... i think... well i do.... actuelly what am i going on about :crazy:

[The doctor11]

i love gwen, i think she is the heart and soul of torchwood, oh yer sure most of you are either janto or towen but gwen is the ordinary copper, she is becoming more like the rest of torchwood but she should never lose what she is and what she stands for

[Mrs_Snow]

i love gwen, i think she is the heart and soul of torchwood, oh yer sure most of you are either janto or towen but gwen is the ordinary copper, she is becoming more like the rest of torchwood but she should never lose what she is and what she stands for

I agree Doc....she has always been my fave...because she is who she is...a real person...no one would just join something like towrchwood and become a 'robot' slave to the job...that would be unbelievable to watch...i think she will grow into a harder person...but i don't want her to become detached from life...that's why we have Jack isn't it..??

[jackngwen4eva]

I agree with you, doctor. She's harder in Adrift, but she also has an inner voice that's telling her it's wrong to be this clinica.
Even in Meat, Jack told Rhys that 'she told me off for being clinical on the first day' so I think she does still have that human spark in her that Jack lacks. Ianto has it, but he conceals it, only letting it out in extreme junctures such as Cyberwoman, when it gets personal.
Gwen is also the only team member to have a fairly stable relationship. That affects her working life, and we still saw that in Adrift. She needs Rhys to keep her clinicality in check, and she needs Jack to keep her humanity going. She plays a very important role in the team, and a very vivid one. Many old TW fans will remember her as their eyes and ears into the Hub.
There have been vivid changes in Gwen, but I think her CDA was one of the smoothest and well scripted in the entire team. I don't know what you guys think!
Good to be back after 2 months hols!

[Phones_All_Broken]

I'm one of those rare creatures, a Janto shipper who actually likes Gwen... most of the time! Tbh I think the writers had a bit of trouble with her character, in series one especially (I hated that scene in Combat where she told Rhys about her affair after drugging him) but her I agree that her CDA has been great overall. Hopefully, though, if they get new cast members we will get to see lots of cool tough action Gwen. And, to answer the topic question, I don't think any new characters will become that much of a 'new Gwen' in terms of seeing Torchwood through their eyes, because we as the viewers are 'part' of TW ourselves now- we joined with Gwen. Although, of course, there will be new viewers too, so maybe there will be an element of that in there too.

[tiedyedphoenix]

Oh yes. If we get action Gwen like at the end of the latest DW series, I will certainly spontaneously combust. *nearly faints* :grin:

I too think that Gwen will harden after this, as I think they all will (they were a bit in DW) in a way, but she can't lose her connectivity to the more everyday world, because that is her role in the series.

[jackngwen4eva]

I had a really strange dream last night where Gwen and Jack were a permanent part of DW. Very wierd!

[Corana Jade]

I like Gwen, sure there are things that annoy me but then I can say the same for all the characters even Jack! But she has changed she's no longer the wide eyed clumsy character she was in s1 she's more focused and business like she's still stuborn and wont just yeld to Jack cos he says so, which I do also like as well. I dont think much change is needed, just something to show how things have changed since the death of people close to her.

[Stilyte]

I really like Gwen and after the end of series 2 it finally felt like she had found her footing and strength within Torchwood. i'm hoping in the next season we'll see her growing stronger. I do hope we get to see some more scenes with her and Ianto as feel their relationship was the one out of everyone that was never quite cemented on screen.
For the newcomers on the show i think she will come across more as the one who leads them and takes care of them.
I'm looking forward to seeing her development in the new series though they have said there'll be a big thing for her and Rhys. Hope they don't go causing any trouble for them. I love them as a couple!

[Meef]

I just hope they don't go back to the whole Gwen and Jack romance thing. I love Jack with Ianto. I never like the sexual tension between Jack and her. I thought that Jack should have been more of a father figure to Gwen , a mentor. I hope they make her more independent of men. More in control of her emotions. Less likely to give in to weakness. She can shine if she grows up. It would be better for the show. I think most of the characters are immature anyway. They really can't afford to be. That's why I liked Adrift , Gwen had great strength and it would be a shame if they didn't feed on that as her future development.

[Stilyte]

I don't think they will. i think there will always be that sexual chemistry between them that gaets brought up now and again but essentially i think they will show them deepening their relationship as friends. They've both made their choices now. Gwen has chosen Rhys and both are going on their seperate paths relationship wise. Even if they did end up together it wouldn't be for long as i don't think they could ever settle with each other. Plus Gwen does seem to be settling into her married life by the end of season 2 and her and Rhys seem to be more of a unit now that she can talk to him. before Torchwood was her outlet, which is how she got involved with Owen in the first place. Now she has Rhys to talk to she is no longer so emotionally dependant on Torchwood to provide her with that stability which is helping her to grow and become a stronger leader.

[icewormie]

Hope they do inprove her character but she is one of my fav character

[Meef]

There shouldn't be any sexual tension between them. Not anymore. It never should have been there to begin with. I'm watching my favorite show Bones fall apart because of sexual tension between her and Booth. It isn't needed to enjoy these shows.They are not soap operas. Jack is best as a Mentor for Gwen. She is married now and it would ruin the show to have her in bed with Jack. They should go beyond that.

[EvesAngel]

Yeah, I think the sex thing between Jack and Gwen is probably out unless her and Rhys somehow split up. But even then it's doubtful because it would make the show too weird because she looks up to Jack for guidance and see's him more as a father figure. But, then again, it's Torchwood. :wink:

I will bet that Gwen will be a lot tougher in Season 3. She grew out of the innocent phase in Season 1 and became much stronger towards the end of Season 2. "Adrift" was the turning point, where she came face to face with the dark reality of the rift. Of course, they need to keep the sweet side of Gwen intact because that's what makes her so charming and down to earth. I don't think anybody want's her to be all cop. That would ruin the show.

[Noo]

Yeah, I think the sex thing between Jack and Gwen is probably out unless her and Rhys somehow split up.

Quotes from both Eve and Julie Gardner back up that if Rhys dies then Gwen would leave Torchwood. They were very adamant about that.

[Meef]

Good I like Rhys.

[EvesAngel]

Quotes from both Eve and Julie Gardner back up that if Rhys dies then Gwen would leave Torchwood. They were very adamant about that.
That's good to know. I'd miss the little fights they have. And that's another thing. Rhys keeps Gwen in check...somewhat. :grin:

[Scally]

gwens adapted since the first series, she grew up a lot between series 1 and 2 and i think if they do introduce new characters, then gwen will be the one they go to for guidence...

[Torchwoodx]

Heey,
I liked the Gwen in Exit Wounds/Everything Changes. I pretty much agree with nearly all the comments on here but I was rather undecided with the Gwen in Adrift. I hope in Series 3 she wont break up Jack/Ianto :beg: But I'm doubting in 5 episodes/ days she will get the chance. I like Eve though and her charactor is rather awesome anyway. She grew up a lot in the last two series. xx

[storms-are-my-nature]

Well... out of the entire team, Gwen's the one that I love AND hate. Sometimes she can be awesome (like in Exit Wounds - she was brilliant in that!) and sometimes cute (Everything Changes), but all too often I feel like grabbing her and yelling crazily at her. But then again, that may just be the anti-Gwack shipper in me... :-P

I love Rhys, and I really liked the way that Gwen and Rhys formed a sturdy unit in the last couple of episodes. Because of my Rhys-loving, I disliked Gwen and Owen together, and reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally turns me off Gwack. So I want Gwen to be more loyal to Rhys, and less "Oh-my-god-I'm-so-sorry-Rhys-but-Jack-wants-me-to-do-this-and-that-so-I-won't-make-you-dinner-even-though-you're-lovely-and-do-so-much-for-me" sort of thing.

One of my guilty pleasures would have her being a Janto-shipper... THAT would be hilarious and put a proper end to Gwack. I can understand why Gwack started - the common idea is that the leading man and the leading lady get together - but I feel that Jack (like some others have said) should be more of a mentor/father-figure to Gwen.

(Random thought: If Jack's a father-figure to Gwen, does that make Ianto the mother-figure? :-P)

[elizah72]

I sort of feel there's a brother-sister thing going on with Ianto and Gwen. Acutally, I'm not sure Gwen sees Jack as a father figure any more than Ianto does, and I sort of see that more with Ianto. (people are sometimes attracted to and even marry people that they also have a bit of a father/mother figure feeling for, I don't think that's that unusual.)

That being said, I would be very VERY upset if either Rhys died or Gwen cheated on Rhys with Jack (or anybody else), or they broke up so she could be with Jack. After everything that's gone on, I definitely am a Rhys-Gwen shipper (what is the abbreviation for that? Rhwen? Gwys? :derisive: )

[Yema]

Personally I like Gwen's character, I think her innocence is quite sweet when shown in comparison to the rest of Torchwood, especially in series 1. I also like the idea of how she's almost a lot more humane then the other characters, it just shows of her naivety more. As well I am also a Gwen/Rhys fan, they're so incredibly cute together and Rhys' love for Gwen is just the sweetest thing. Therefore, however much I may like Jack and Gwen's whole love thing I do think that Gwen should stick with Rhys and Janto should be allowed to continue, at least for this series anyway. Just a bit of simpleness relationship wise. :p

Once Torchwood does have new members though I do think it's Gwen's time to become more of Torchwood in the sense of her being less innocent and less of "the new girl". (:

[elizah72]

One thing that concerns me as we see her shooting two guns and becoming more militant (I seem to remember a quote or two to that effect), and she becomes more and more of an action girl, is that she will loose that caring side and sort of become a shoot first, ask questions later type. At the same time, I'm a fan of Kill Bill, Buffy, Xena, and any of those sort of shows that show ladies kicking butt and I would love to see Gwen use other ways to fight aside from the guns (martial arts, for instance)... so I'm a bit split about this "changing role for Gwen."

[SuperHolz_X]

Right personally, I love Gwen. How she changed from series one
to series two, how she grew up. It's adiment that they'll all change.
Jack and Ianto will obviously find themselves thrown closer because of
the loss of their friends. It could also mean that Gwen will too. Nobody
can deny it, whether they love Jack and Ianto or not, if there isn't any
just a little tention between Jack and Gwen, the show will loose some of
it's spark. People love this how for a reason, & Gwen and Jack being close from
the beginning was part of it. Loosing Owen and Tosh is like loosing part of
the show, series 3 will have to be stronger to sort of fill in the gaps of them.

If Gwen looses her innocent caring side completely then she'll loose the part of
her that was...more humane than Jack and Ianto, the part that makes her different
anyway. The fact she could still be tough and still be caring in series two shows
that the writers are slowly trying to change her, if she came into series three guns
everywhere fighting everything not caring, it wouldn't be the same.

That's my opinion, don't hate me. & if you haven't guessed,
I'm 100% gwack all the way :P yet I love Ianto ^^. Vicious cycle
really.

Hollie x