View Full Version : Jack/Ianto moment or Team moment?
21st April 2010, 00:00
I watched COE again (Well I've watched the entire series along this weeks one chapter a day before I go to bed), I can't remember if its on Day Three or Day four when Jack wakes up after dead and Gwen is sitting next to Ianto's body (Is in Day Three right?).
I know that Gwen is obviously sad about the dead of her friend, but I always wonder if this 'moment' belongs to Jack or to Gwen and Jack together, I mean, when Gwen remove the blanket that is covering Ianto. What do you think?
Oh and about tell the notice to Ianto's family... Why the writers didn't gave Jack that chance? I mean... Jack is Ianto's lover, and probably the one who knew more Ianto.
21st April 2010, 00:10
It was Day Four.
And I felt Jack should've uncovered Ianto alone. To mourn for his lost lover. I felt he and Gwen could've mourned together afterwards. She could have watched from the side of the room really. I just wanted one last moment.
21st April 2010, 00:23
I think it would have been more effective if it was just Jack.
But then I think it may have isolated Gwen a little too much.
21st April 2010, 01:04
Remember the original premise was to see the world through Gwen's eyes, so I don't have a problem with the way it was done. There was only Jack and Gwen left and two people really can't be a team anymore.
So the moment is for them together. A loss on many levels.
21st April 2010, 10:39
Jack needed Gwen to go and save Ianto's family, so he left it to Gwen to tell Ianto's sister that he was dead. Jack had work to do that was more important at the moment and at this time he had been arrested. Part of the agreement that he stayed was that they let Gwen go. It was so she could run to Ianto's family. Also I don't think Jack really had the will to do it. He was to broken up and also like the Doctor, would put personal feelings aside for the greater good.
21st April 2010, 11:59
Jack was under arrest so couldn't go, and he knew that Ianto had a niece and nephew, so he sent Gwen knowing she would do her best for them, which she did.
As for Gwen being there, she was the only one left to identify the bodies, she had to be there. Jack and Ianto had already had their moment, that one was hers
21st April 2010, 20:20
I think Jack should have kissed Ianto one last time after Gwen had uncovered his body, mostly because during the last kiss, Jack was actually dying just like Ianto and taking his last breath. In other words, Jack wasn't able to fully concerntrate on saying goodbye to Ianto as a lover.
I would have really liked it if, at the very end of Day Five, Jack had actually met Rhiannon and her children before leaving Earth. During his sadness over losing Steven, it might have helped just a little had Jack been able to see what his sacrifice had achieved - the saving of millions of children worldwide AND Ianto's niece and nephew, who came from the poor housing estates that the Government were talking about in Day Four. He did ask Gwen to put Mica and David above all other children, in case he didn't succeed in stopping the 456.
21st April 2010, 20:45
It had to be a moment for the both of them because in that moment it showed the isolation they were in.
Besides that,Gwen was at that moment the only one who was still alive.
Jack hadn`t revived yet and somehow I think she knew she should be there.
Not only to say goodbye to one of her friends(in my opinion her best friend at that time) but also to support Jack.
21st April 2010, 22:12
I am ok with the moment for the both of them but they could have added, in my opinion, another moment for Jack alone. Without this it's now like Jack never mourned properly Ianto and leaves us with an unfinished and unsatisfying story.
And that's why Ianto should be brought back! :yes:
2nd May 2010, 14:23
I always felt that that was Gwen's moment with Ianto. I really don't mind her having that moment, because I really enjoyed the few moments where we saw Gwen and Ianto interact as friends. When Jack woke up, it was their moment together to mourn the loss of a mutual friend and team mate. Jack's moments, in my opinion, was when Ianto died and later when he was locked up. Because if I recall correctly, the look on his face when he was in that cell was one of grief. At least that's how I interpreted it, but I've only watched the episode once.
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