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[Rory]

Petitions and websites have appeared online for the return of Ianto Jones.

If you would like Ianto to be returned to our beloved Torchwood.

Visit here:
http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/janto/

and

here:
http://www.saveiantojones.com/


[mod="Timeless-II":2i6k5oc5]I've amended your thread title, as it was somewhat spoilerish :wink:[/mod:2i6k5oc5]

[doriangray]

As you can see in http://www.saveiantojones.com, there's a great coffee protest going on (people are encouraged to send a pack of coffee to the BBC).

However, as Ianto was the Ultimate Tea-Boy, a bag of tea would be appropriate as well. What I'm going to do is to send a bag on Prince of Wales tea (pun intended) to BBC with a note "One for Ianto. Bring him back.". I guess it would be a bit creepy if you start to get teebags with demands by post!

For those of you who actually like to do something, the address is:

BBC WALES
Broadcasting House
Llantrisant Road
Llandaff
Cardiff
CF5 2YQ UK

A teabag and a postage stamp costs less than 50p but they can't be bypassed by pressing delete button, like web-petitions.

[Rory]

Thanks Dorian,

Let us not rest until our Ianto is returned.

If Ianto is returned I am willing to share him thise time.

[Rory]

Anyone who is looking access to Ianto must send a written application to me.

[Lennon]

I'll send a bag of coffee for this cause!!!! Good work on that website, whoever developed it. It's brilliant!

[Rory]

I know and they got it up pretty fast didn't they?

[Holly2009]

YAY! I was just waiting for this to happen! :happy:

[Lennon]

I know and they got it up pretty fast didn't they?

They really did!

[JohnB]

I'm just curious.
I know we don't know why Ianto had to die. But if we hear that perhaps Gareth was ready to move on and it was a joint decision, would that make it easier for us? I know personally it is the only thing that will help my heart break. I love Gareth as an actor and I'll always support him in his career.

I really can't wait to hear from he and John on their feelings of what happened.

These petitions are awesome. Ianto Love!!! :inlove:

The thought just popped into my head.

*Please don't throw things at me..... :blusher: *

[Lennon]

I'm just curious.
I know we don't know why Ianto had to die. But if we hear that perhaps Gareth was ready to move on and it was a joint decision, would that make it easier for us? I know personally it is the only thing that will help my heart break. I love Gareth as an actor and I'll always support him in his career.

I really can't wait to hear from he and John on their feelings of what happened.

These petitions are awesome. Ianto Love!!! :inlove:

The thought just popped into my head.

*Please don't throw things at me..... :blusher: *

It might be. That is what is so frustrating is we have no idea if RTD threw GDL out of the show like with Tosh and Owen or if GDL quit the show. If he quit then so be it, but if RTD wrote him out... total chaos will break out.

[Rory]

I dont think it will be easier for me to accept GDL leaving of his own accord because I still loved Ianto.

[emz.buckley]

In my honest opinion, i don't think Gareth decided to leave, i think he was written out. I also get the feeling that JB has been written out as well.

[Rory]

I think John Barrowman will return.

The Doctor will persuade him somehow to return.

[ElectroxGirl]

In my honest opinion, i don't think Gareth decided to leave, i think he was written out. I also get the feeling that JB has been written out as well.
I agree, I don't think it was Gareth's decision. But I do think John will be returning. It is his show after all, and John has said countless times how he'd carry on playing Jack for as long as the show goes on.
I've heard (well read) people saying that RTD wrote the ending like that so it could be an end or left open, depending on the ratings.

[SuperHolz_X]

whenever he talks about being jack, john always talks about not being ready to 'hang up his coat, just yet.' + what not. so, who knows...

as for gareth, i haven't got a clue.
i would be glad for ianto to come back, 'janto' would obviously flow with it... but if the series only had ianto and no 'janto', i wouldn't cry or anything. however, will they have ianto? ):

[emz.buckley]

I think John Barrowman will return.

The Doctor will persuade him somehow to return.

The only problem we have with this is, we have no idea in what time frame his eps or ep is in, so it could all be before any of this has happened.

[Rory]

I think it is safe to say it is before the regeneration, I mean Jack is bound to bump into The Doctor on his travels.
Besides I am sure Jack would have mentioned that he had seen The Doctor.


And I think someone mentioned that Martha is on her honeymoon. I doubt she could have a honeymoon if The Doctor just died.

[Lennon]

I dont think it will be easier for me to accept GDL leaving of his own accord because I still loved Ianto.

I know. It's a loose/loose either way. :cryin:

[Rory]

If Gareth decided he was going to leave I will hunt him down and :beg: him to return.

[xvoguex]

whenever he talks about being jack, john always talks about not being ready to 'hang up his coat, just yet.' + what not. so, who knows...

as for gareth, i haven't got a clue.
i would be glad for ianto to come back, 'janto' would obviously flow with it... but if the series only had ianto and no 'janto', i wouldn't cry or anything. however, will they have ianto? ):


But they have all said they would like to do more series. :dontknow: so who knows.

[batgirl]

i love the sending tea bags idea! its a harmless way of getting the point across that ianto shouldnt of died and were not happy about it, though if gdl did decide to leave then its not really gonna have much affect :( hopefully it was just rtd being mean and writing him out and with all the petitions that are going about he'll find a way to bring him back and realise there is a demand for a fourth series. if he doesn't then grrrrrrrrr

[Rory]

If Russel T Davies hadn't been such a bitch then we would not have all of these protests and campaigns to bring Ianto back from the dead. He had to top it off with the six months later thing didn't he?

I also noticed how Jack didn't seem to mourn Ianto after he died. He only cried during.

[Holly2009]

If Russel T Davies hadn't been such a bitch then we would not have all of these protests and campaigns to bring Ianto back from the dead. He had to top it off with the six months later thing didn't he?

I also noticed how Jack didn't seem to mourn Ianto after he died. He only cried during.


I can see where you are coming from, but I don't see it as "not mourning", I just think it's difficult for Jack to show his emotions in front of others, turning dark like that, turning away from everyone, giving up hope of beating the 456 and then leaving at the end, to me, shows Jacks grief.

[Rory]

I still would have preferred him mourning Ianto like he did Own and Toshiko.

I am sure he liked Ianto more and was slightly upset that he didn't admit he loved him. I don't think he did.

[ElectroxGirl]

I still would have preferred him mourning Ianto like he did Own and Toshiko.

I am sure he liked Ianto more and was slightly upset that he didn't admit he loved him. I don't think he did.
I don't think he told him because he didn't want to believe Ianto was dying. (Hence his "don't" after Ianto told him) Jack had, in a way, given up when he died. It broke him. To me that showed a lot more than him mourning Tosh and Owen

[Rory]

I think everyone cried for Ianto.
Lol

So far I haven't seen anyone telling anyone to grow up about the episode (you know fictional charater) so it must have had some impact.

[Holly2009]

I still would have preferred him mourning Ianto like he did Own and Toshiko.

I am sure he liked Ianto more and was slightly upset that he didn't admit he loved him. I don't think he did.
I don't think he told him because he didn't want to believe Ianto was dying. (Hence his "don't" after Ianto told him) Jack had, in a way, given up when he died. It broke him. To me that showed a lot more than him mourning Tosh and Owen

Exactly what I was going to say! :derisive:

[Lennon]

I think everyone cried for Ianto.
Lol

So far I haven't seen anyone telling anyone to grow up about the episode (you know fictional charater) so it must have had some impact.

[spoiler:de692mfz]Facebook is covered with groups now. Websites all over. Everyone is feeling the same about this. It's truly like we lost a dear friend. :cryin:[/spoiler:de692mfz]

[Rory]

Everybody loved Ianto lol.

I am gonna be sending my coffee to the BBC on Thursday.

I will not take this lieing down.

[Holly2009]

I think everyone cried for Ianto.
Lol

So far I haven't seen anyone telling anyone to grow up about the episode (you know fictional charater) so it must have had some impact.

[spoiler:214279fy]Facebook is covered with groups now. Websites all over. Everyone is feeling the same about this. It's truly like we lost a dear friend. :cryin:[/spoiler:214279fy]

I've joined 3 myself.... :cryin: lol!

[Rory]

Lol yesterday I updated my bebo (thelastvamp2003) and my neopets account (thelastvamp2002) to include the Bring back Ianto.

Everyone should copy the messages and place them in thier Bebo.

[Lennon]

Lol yesterday I updated my bebo (thelastvamp2003) and my neopets account (thelastvamp2002) to include the Bring back Ianto.

Everyone should copy the messages and place them in thier Bebo.

Neopets? No way! :laugh:

[Rory]

Believe me I am sad and pathetic lol.

And its so colourful!

[Rory]

Not enough saving Ianto going on here. lol

[Holly2009]

Everyone should go and sign the guest book over at the site posted :grin:

[emz.buckley]

Someone has found the message board for RTD, feel free to tell him what you think about what he has done.

http://www.russelltdavies.com/#/messageboard/4523847116

[lilflower]

RTD said on declassified that because it was a HUGE story and the world was in a HUGE amount of danger, it was inevitable that someone get killed.

[Rory]

Yes but Doctor Who has a big story every week and none of the main characters die in that.

So there was no need for Ianto to die.

[Holly2009]

Well Stephen died, for Jack to have lost his grandson and daughter is enough surely? (is it Stephen or Steven?) Like I said in the Jack and Ianto thread, if Ianto wouldn't have died, the whole Stephen/Steven thing would have upset me a lot more than it did, Ianto's death sort of took away the impact of Stephens death for me.

[Rory]

It didn't for me, I can't get Ianto's death out of my head and I don't want him to go down as just another television character to die in a show.

[ElectroxGirl]

Someone has found the message board for RTD, feel free to tell him what you think about what he has done.

http://www.russelltdavies.com/#/messageboard/4523847116
Wow! There were no messages about CoE yesterday when I looked and now there's loads! Hope he pays attention.

[Rory]

I do not think that that site has been updated in a while. I mean, the episode guides only go up to Doctor Who Series Two.

[emz.buckley]

RTD said on declassified that because it was a HUGE story and the world was in a HUGE amount of danger, it was inevitable that someone get killed.

Well then why didn't he kill off Rhys? I mean, it would of made more sense if they had killed him off and it would of made an impact, i mean, he finally gets the child that he has wanted and they are happy about it and then suddenly he's gone and she is left alone, that would have created drama. I mean, what would gwen do now?

His death was pointless, very well acted but pointless. It would of made more sense if Jack, knowing what the 456 would of wanted and the fact his own family had been captured, sent ianto to go and get his sisters kids and the rest of them and send them into hiding.

[batgirl]

i agree with the last post (cos i dont know how to do the quote box thingi) it would of still been dramatic to kill off rhys and also sad cos everything he wanted was falling into place!

and yeah he should of sent ianto to go save his family, he wouldnt of died then.

[Rory]

I blame Jack for Ianto's death, he's responsible for Steven's we may as well blame Jack. lol

[Rory]

Oh Ianto how I miss you.

[Iloveowen]

i am sending in the coffee, i mean it!!!!!! i am getting my beloved Ianto back! Torchwood is not Torchwood with out him!!!!

[emz.buckley]

I blame Jack for Ianto's death, he's responsible for Steven's we may as well blame Jack. lol

I don't blame jack, i blame the writers.

[Rory]

Lol I know.

Coffee will be sent on Thursday from me. I am wondering if I should keep it in a pack or just keep it in the pack lol.
I will need to send a letter too.

[Iloveowen]

I am sending a letter with my coffee that will say in big letters 'You fools! What were you thinking?!?!?!?' no i wouldnt but i will ask very nicely what entered their heads when they let that happen and i will demand Ianto back! oh i am such a fangirl!

[Rory]

I am the biggest fan girl of Ianto.

Well a Fan Gay.

If he does return I will keep him at my house when he is not at Torchwood to make sure he does not get harmed.
He will also be placed on a curfew.

[SerenityChaos]

Okay. I'm not saying this to be horribly mean but I've seen petitions for something like this before and I just always wondered do they ever work?

[Rory]

We'll fiight (figuratively speaking) to bring Ianto back.

Remember when they put Deidre in prison in Coronation Street and the viewers protested and they released her.

[Iloveowen]

roryh can i please submit a writen application to share Ianto with you, should he return? you can have him all week and i can have him on the weekends?lol!

[Rory]

Lol you can write an application but you will let need to let me have him for a few months first so I train him to come home. :friends:

[Iloveowen]

I think I can live with that Rory! He's worth it! We just have to get him back now!

[Rory]

I say we protest outside all the Beeb Centres. I have Belfast, off course it will only be me lol

[Iloveowen]

i haven't got a beeb center! but i need to protest!

[Rory]

Send a cardboard cutout of yourself to the entrance to one of the Beebs. lol

[Holly2009]

We'll fiight (figuratively speaking) to bring Ianto back.

Remember when they put Deidre in prison in Coronation Street and the viewers protested and they released her.

Also when Sara was killed off on Prison Break she was brought back as the result of a petition :smile:

Worth having a look....http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=1 ... topic=9338 (http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=119739541833&topic=9338)

[Holly2009]

I am actually feeling oddly positive about this....

[ElectroxGirl]

I joined a "Bring Back Ianto" group on Facebook and it's already got over 900 members.

[xvoguex]

I would love it if TW was back for Sereis 4 and Ianto came back too. :beg:

I'm not sure he will be back but I'm keeping my fingers crossed :wink:

[Holly2009]

I joined a "Bring Back Ianto" group on Facebook and it's already got over 900 members.

I've joined 3 :good: lol!

*just popping on Facebook*

The RIP Ianto Jones group has 1292 members
Then theres the Ianto Jones page with 1086 members
Then the Bring back Ianto you fools has 907

:drinks:

[ElectroxGirl]

I've joined two of those!

[Rory]

Russell cannot ignore this. People want Ianto back, give them what they want.

Also get rid of the Jack being attracted to Gwen thing. Pointless.

[Holly2009]

Russell cannot ignore this. People want Ianto back, give them what they want.

Also get rid of the Jack being attracted to Gwen thing. Pointless.

To be fair the Gwen thing has been completely absent this series, well actually, since she got married.

[wayO]

I'm with Holly2009, I'm feeling positive about this. TV's all about ratings and TW's no exception. Surely they'll bring him home where he belongs. *beg*

[Rory]

Thank god for that lool

[Lennon]

Lol I know.

Coffee will be sent on Thursday from me. I am wondering if I should keep it in a pack or just keep it in the pack lol.
I will need to send a letter too.

Mine is off in the mail today, two packages at the ready :ok:

[Lennon]

Okay. I'm not saying this to be horribly mean but I've seen petitions for something like this before and I just always wondered do they ever work?

Mailing peanuts to ABC worked to get Jericho season 2. :yes:

[Rory]

We will have our Ianto returned to us!

I am not watching any of the old episodes anymore because I know what is to come for him in the future.

[emz.buckley]

I have just had an idea,

what about sending coffee, letters, ect, to TW Magazine? Its an extention of the brand so its worth a shot.

[Rory]

Torchwood Magazine had nothing to do with[spoiler:15s8akua]Ianto's death[/spoiler:15s8akua] but let's do what we can.

[emz.buckley]

Torchwood Magazine had nothing to do with[spoiler:9be9q997]Ianto's death[/spoiler:9be9q997] but let's do what we can.


I was just thinking, even though they had nothing to do with it, its another place to get our voices heard. The more the BBC can hear us the better.

[ElectroxGirl]

Sounds good to me.

[batgirl]

yeah sounds good to me too, though how much could tw magazine do? i mean they could maybe contact rtd or the bbc but there already getting hit with coffee mail :)

[MJ30]

God I hope all these campaigns work!
But I have a bad feeling about it.....
Still, I guess we shouldn't loose hope!

[Rory]

www.garethdavidlloyd.co.uk (http://www.garethdavidlloyd.co.uk)

Don't let this stop us!

[Iloveowen]

Send a cardboard cutout of yourself to the entrance to one of the Beebs. lol

Brilliant! that is what i'm gonna do!!!! we have to get him back!!!!

[Rory]

If he is not returned we will all put Ianto masks on and march through all the cities in the world

[Iloveowen]

yes Rory that is exactly what we should do if he is not returned to us! might only be us but still lol!

[ElectroxGirl]

And chant "We, we want, we want Ianto. Back"

[Iloveowen]

lol! awesome Shannen, that sounds like a plan! lol!

[Rory]

"There is no show - without Ianto!"

[Iloveowen]

a tradtional one-

What do we want? Ianto!
When d we want he? Now!

[Rory]

Where do I want him - You don't wanna know!

[Rory]

Too dirty? lol

[Lennon]

Oh, Rory!

[emz.buckley]

There is a poll on Digital spy, about TW and what you think,

go vote.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/a164454/ ... r-you.html (http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/a164454/tv-poll-torchwood-was-it-good-for-you.html)

[emz.buckley]

Good News!

The janto petition 2 has nearly reached a thousand again! So there is a third one, post it everywhere Jack, ianto and janto related, also GDL and JB related but please remember to put warnings for spoilers, some people haven't seen it and they are getting upset about it.

http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/janto3

[Holly2009]

Woo, thanks for letting us know!

Am I the only one who kinda doesn't get this petition :blusher: I don't really understand why its not all under one petition instead of three, and that people can still sign the previous two? *brain hurts* << not that it takes much :na:

Oooh well....*goes off to sign* :tongue:

[Rory]

I agree with you Holly, wouldn't three thousand signatures on one petition (designed for 1000) be more effective than three different petitions?

[Rory]

I think I seen someone make a 1 million petition.

[emz.buckley]

[spoiler:r1jzhpdy]I am so bloody pissed off. RTD justification as to why he killed ianto was so that he could justify Jack killing stephen and it leaving jack as a broken man. WTF?! He could of made jack a broken man without killing ianto, sacrificing his own grandchild is enough to break someone, this was overkill. :googly1:[/spoiler:r1jzhpdy]

[Holly2009]

[spoiler:1kjaiuiq]I am so bloody pissed off. RTD justification as to why he killed ianto was so that he could justify Jack killing stephen and it leaving jack as a broken man. WTF?! He could of made jack a broken man without killing ianto, sacrificing his own grandchild is enough to break someone, this was overkill. :googly1:[/spoiler:1kjaiuiq]

A-bloody-greed

[Rory]

There was no need [spoiler:1siay2wb]for Ianto to be killed off at all.

Why couldn&#39;t Rhys have died or Andy, I mean they are less experienced in this field of work than Ianto was. . .no is![/spoiler:1siay2wb]

[emz.buckley]

[spoiler:1hti24w6]I really really hate RTD right now. I thought i couldn;t be more angry but he has really taken the cake with this. He has put up a montage vid about Janto up on his website to the song I Know Him So Well By JB & DB. Talk about insensitive, he is practically flaunting it infront of our faces. :googly1:

This just makes me more determined to get what we want and screw him over. And if we don&#39;t i am never watching TW ir anything of his again.[/spoiler:1hti24w6]

[doriangray]

It's been almost a week now, so I wonder how many of you have done something tangible e.g. send coffee, tea, cards or letters to BBC Wales?

[Rory]

My coffee is beeing sent tomorrow. I have already complained to the BBC, signed all the petitions.

If I lived in Wales I would go to the BBC personally and complain.

[ElectroxGirl]

I don't know what I'm going to do yet...I've signed the petitions. Don't know what else I'm going to do.

[Chelle]

I don't know what I'm going to do yet...I've signed the petitions. Don't know what else I'm going to do.

Same here.....

xxx

[Rory]

Send some coffee to the BBC or even if you live in Cardiff, leave some flowers at the Millenium Centre.

[Holly2009]

http://www.justgiving.com/iantojones/?p ... ationTable (http://www.justgiving.com/iantojones/?pid=2023899&dtpn=1#DonationTable)

Wow!

[Rory]

Don't get me wrong it's for charity but why use Ianto's death as an excuse?

Something dodgy here lol

[Holly2009]

Don't get me wrong it's for charity but why use Ianto's death as an excuse?

Something dodgy here lol

The link came from the SaveIantoJones site and the donation site itself is definitely legit, its got the Children in Need logo :smile:

[ElectroxGirl]

I'll send him a birthday card. (bit insane...it has coffee on it!)

[Holly2009]

I'll send him a birthday card. (bit insane...it has coffee on it!)


Awwww thats so cute! :grin:

[U.N.I.T.]

Anything that raises money for CiN is surely worth it... So long as it doesn't cross the Barrowman line!?

[Kaleidoscope]

http://www.justgiving.com/iantojones/?pid=2023899&dtpn=1#DonationTable

Wow!
I'm pretty impressed with that actually. It's a great fundraising idea. I hope it gets mentioned during CiN in November! That'd be amazing.

[Holly2009]

Over £800 now, that is seriously amazing, especially in such a short space of time!

[Iloveowen]

its now been over a week, i was just wondering what people had done?

i have got the coffee ready to be sent off in the first post, i have joined all the sites trying to bring him back and i am considering writing a letter to the highest member of the BBC i can, that is able to do something about it!

[Rory]

My coffee is ready and waiting and I will send his birthday card on his birthday next month.

[U.N.I.T.]

Surely any excuse for a worthy charity!?

[Rory]

I am going to start a "I have lips charity". lol

[JUDE]

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales ... -24219748/ (http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/2009/07/23/thousands-join-online-battle-to-save-torchwood-character-ianto-91466-24219748/)

Sorry not sure how to make it a clickable link, but looks like the Ianto Campaign is begininng to make headlines.

[schoie68]

Brilliant! Hang on Ianto, help is on the way!

[Meef]

And What if Gareth moves on to other things? It is great to do this, but since Gareth knew about this awhile ago, don't you think he is looking for other things to do. What if he gets a series and can't do Torchwood. Besides it is RTD's decision to bring him back or not. And from RTD's interviews he isn't going to do that. Not that I wouldn't want to see Ianto back, but it would take away the moment of his death and cheapen any impact the show has in the future. I can here it now. "Oh they killed that guy. That's okay with the right protest they just bring him back." Sorry this it TV why don't we save the protest for the right reasons. Like maybe the problems in Africa and those who suffer in the real world., where it matters. Is it just easier to save a fictional character then to bother with the less fortunate of the world around you?

Sorry I just really needed to say that it feels good to let that out. Please don't take that personally. :hugs:
I really didn't mean to step on toes but sometimes you just need to speek your mind. Peace!

[JUDE]

Well at the moment he has nothing lined up and has stated interviews that he would like to come back if asked. Personally if Gareth had asked to leave I would not have a problem, I would miss him but would respect his decision as I am sure everyone else would. But he did not ask to leave, him, Burn and Nakori were all axed which I feel is wrong. Its them that help to create Torchwood, because less be honest some of the stories were a bit Crap. But we fell in love with the characters and it was them that drew us all in.

With regards to your comments about Africa, I am sure there are a lot of fans out there who do a lot with others charities as well. I have actually been out to Africa and worked in a school out there, so I find your remarks a bit insensitve.

I love Torchwood and Ianto so why shouldn't I want to do my bit.

[Lennon]

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/2009/07/23/thousands-join-online-battle-to-save-torchwood-character-ianto-91466-24219748/

Sorry not sure how to make it a clickable link, but looks like the Ianto Campaign is begininng to make headlines.

Wow! Fantastic!! We're in the news now!

[Lennon]

And What if Gareth moves on to other things? It is great to do this, but since Gareth knew about this awhile ago, don't you think he is looking for other things to do. What if he gets a series and can't do Torchwood. Besides it is RTD's decision to bring him back or not. And from RTD's interviews he isn't going to do that. Not that I wouldn't want to see Ianto back, but it would take away the moment of his death and cheapen any impact the show has in the future. I can here it now. "Oh they killed that guy. That's okay with the right protest they just bring him back." Sorry this it TV why don't we save the protest for the right reasons. Like maybe the problems in Africa and those who suffer in the real world., where it matters. Is it just easier to save a fictional character then to bother with the less fortunate of the world around you?

Sorry I just really needed to say that it feels good to let that out. Please don't take that personally. :hugs:
I really didn't mean to step on toes but sometimes you just need to speek your mind. Peace!

If he moves onto other work, then he does. But, he has been stating recently he'd come back to Torchwood. He even offered a few ways he could come back.

IMO his exit was crap. Clearly the show went to the dogs at that moment. His last words were amazing and sent shivers down my spine but other than that he didn't really die doing much of anything. Was just a wrong place wrong time type moment. Owen and Tosh died saving Cardiff, Suzie died because she played God and went crazy. Ianto, he just stood there like he wanted to give up. It was clear since Day One Ianto was depressed about Jack. Plus, turns out Ianto didn't even show anyone his true self. It was all a lie, apparently.

What do you expect us to say when you tell us we should be protesting governments in Africa? Some of us already are, some of us do donate to charity and some of us help out relief workers all over the world.

[Meef]

Mike don't be like that, you are talking to someone that has done her share for the rebellion. The point is that some times it is best to let the dead stay dead. I love you my dear, and that never changes. If you didn't like it that is fine. I love Ianto but as I said before. If a character is to die then let it be in the arms of the man he loves doing what he wants. There is no better way to leave a show and no greater an impact. But people are so stressed out over this that they are making themselves sick and have become depressed. It is a TV show not reality. What about the real people in your lives. If you love them and fight for them as much as you do for a character in a TV show then maybe you are not so much different then the characters we love in Torchwood. And maybe with that in mind you can see the beauty behind COE. Not the death of a character, but how a handful of people can change the world. It means sacrifies in the worst of places, but in the end if you win it is golden.

[Random Shoes]

You think signing this thing might help get him back? he said he's not coming back.So, how is that gonna get him back? I will sign it, but if you think about it. =/

[Holly2009]

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/2009/07/23/thousands-join-online-battle-to-save-torchwood-character-ianto-91466-24219748/

Sorry not sure how to make it a clickable link, but looks like the Ianto Campaign is begininng to make headlines.

Wow! Fantastic!! We're in the news now!

Woo yayness!! :happy:

[kolo]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/8166655.stm

[ElectroxGirl]

It's good that they've noticed we're raising money for Children in Need!

[Lennon]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/8166655.stm

Yay! We've made WalesOnline co uk and the BBC!

[schoie68]

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[ElectroxGirl]

What he's said won't make us give up though. I completely disagree with everything he's said and I know a lot of other people do too.

[Kaleidoscope]

It's good that they've noticed we're raising money for Children in Need!
The total's over £2000 now. It's amazing. And the news coverage is fantastic as it shows RTD that we're not just a bunch of whiny fans. People care enough to raise money in Ianto's memory.

[ElectroxGirl]

It's good that they've noticed we're raising money for Children in Need!
The total's over £2000 now. It's amazing. And the news coverage is fantastic as it shows RTD that we're not just a bunch of whiny fans. People care enough to raise money in Ianto's memory.
I know it's fantastic! I do wish RTD would appreciate his fans more. If it wasn't for us the show wouldn't be the success it is.

[hattie]

I do wish RTD would appreciate his fans more. If it wasn't for us the show wouldn't be the success it is.

Well said :happy:

[barnsleyman]

I for one think it wouldn't be a good idea to bring Ianto back, it'd just be a cop out and diminish the impact of a powerful script. I was sad to see him go but look forward to the reshaped Torchwood in whatever form it comes back in.

I'm sure RTD does appreciate the fans. But that doesn't mean simply giving in to every whim that some fans want. That would maje for bad storytelling and bad drame. Torchwood is a darker show than Dr Who and people have often said they want the more darker storylines that Torchwood brings, well thats what we've got with COE. Good, well written thought provoking drama. Such drama should have a reaction. You can't say you want the darker storylines and then complain when we get them.

I suspect that RTD is extremely pleased with the reaction that Ianto death has caused, it can only be good for the show that such that the show continues to be discussed and debated. I doubt he'll be upset by the reaction but will welcome the publicity it brings and keeps the show in the public mind.

I'm not joining the 'Bring Ianto Back' campaign. to bring him back would just undermine the impact of COE. He was a fantastic character, but to bring him back would be a very bad mistake. You can't keep bringing back dead characters without it devaluing the show and the storytelling.

[Lennon]

We've made MSNBC America news!

That makes:
WalesOnline
BBC Wales
MSNBC America

It's just EW interview with RTD and & Michael Ausiello that was posted above. But, still...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32128070/ns ... elevision/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32128070/ns/entertainment-television/)

[ElectroxGirl]

And another one:
http://www.kasterborous.com/news.asp?ac=9&id=2670

[Alipeewee]

I for one think it wouldn't be a good idea to bring Ianto back, it'd just be a cop out and diminish the impact of a powerful script. I was sad to see him go but look forward to the reshaped Torchwood in whatever form it comes back in.

I'm sure RTD does appreciate the fans. But that doesn't mean simply giving in to every whim that some fans want. That would maje for bad storytelling and bad drame. Torchwood is a darker show than Dr Who and people have often said they want the more darker storylines that Torchwood brings, well thats what we've got with COE. Good, well written thought provoking drama. Such drama should have a reaction. You can't say you want the darker storylines and then complain when we get them.

I suspect that RTD is extremely pleased with the reaction that Ianto death has caused, it can only be good for the show that such that the show continues to be discussed and debated. I doubt he'll be upset by the reaction but will welcome the publicity it brings and keeps the show in the public mind.

I'm not joining the 'Bring Ianto Back' campaign. to bring him back would just undermine the impact of COE. He was a fantastic character, but to bring him back would be a very bad mistake. You can't keep bringing back dead characters without it devaluing the show and the storytelling.


Well, I was just about to write a little mini-rant about how Ianto shoudln't come back there's a reason that writers write the show not the viewers...but then you did it for e :D. Well said man, couldn't have put it better myself

[Meef]

I for one think it wouldn't be a good idea to bring Ianto back, it'd just be a cop out and diminish the impact of a powerful script. I was sad to see him go but look forward to the reshaped Torchwood in whatever form it comes back in.

I'm sure RTD does appreciate the fans. But that doesn't mean simply giving in to every whim that some fans want. That would maje for bad storytelling and bad drame. Torchwood is a darker show than Dr Who and people have often said they want the more darker storylines that Torchwood brings, well thats what we've got with COE. Good, well written thought provoking drama. Such drama should have a reaction. You can't say you want the darker storylines and then complain when we get them.

I suspect that RTD is extremely pleased with the reaction that Ianto death has caused, it can only be good for the show that such that the show continues to be discussed and debated. I doubt he'll be upset by the reaction but will welcome the publicity it brings and keeps the show in the public mind.

I'm not joining the 'Bring Ianto Back' campaign. to bring him back would just undermine the impact of COE. He was a fantastic character, but to bring him back would be a very bad mistake. You can't keep bringing back dead characters without it devaluing the show and the storytelling.

you are so right, but if they want to try and raise the dead let them. Just remember pet cemetery and what happens to dead things once they walk again. But If it works I'll watch because it is Ianto. But I won't think of TW as totally awesome just okay.

[gisyl]

barnsleyman wrote:
I for one think it wouldn't be a good idea to bring Ianto back, it'd just be a cop out and diminish the impact of a powerful script. I was sad to see him go but look forward to the reshaped Torchwood in whatever form it comes back in.

I'm sure RTD does appreciate the fans. But that doesn't mean simply giving in to every whim that some fans want. That would maje for bad storytelling and bad drame. Torchwood is a darker show than Dr Who and people have often said they want the more darker storylines that Torchwood brings, well thats what we've got with COE. Good, well written thought provoking drama. Such drama should have a reaction. You can't say you want the darker storylines and then complain when we get them.

I suspect that RTD is extremely pleased with the reaction that Ianto death has caused, it can only be good for the show that such that the show continues to be discussed and debated. I doubt he'll be upset by the reaction but will welcome the publicity it brings and keeps the show in the public mind.

I'm not joining the 'Bring Ianto Back' campaign. to bring him back would just undermine the impact of COE. He was a fantastic character, but to bring him back would be a very bad mistake. You can't keep bringing back dead characters without it devaluing the show and the storytelling.


you are so right, but if they want to try and raise the dead let them. Just remember pet cemetery and what happens to dead things once they walk again. But If it works I'll watch because it is Ianto. But I won't think of TW as totally awesome just okay.
Well said from the both of you.
PLus I think it isn`t fair to demand Ianto back,because some people don`t like it.
I keep saying,the serie has been enjoyed by a lot of people who don`t care that Ianto died in the sense as the character.
The story needed and it brought home for people who watch Torchwood for the first time that things like that happen.

[Meef]

Well after Comic Con it is safe to save that from both RTD and John Barrowman's mouth that Ianto is not coming back. So unless he gives up his writes to his creation and someone else takes over Torchwood, not Ianto. Also RTD states it was done to define and develop Jack's character. That is who the show was written for to begin with. I will still love and support Torchwood.

[gisyl]

Well after Comic Con it is safe to save that from both RTD and John Barrowman's mouth that Ianto is not coming back. So unless he gives up his writes to his creation and someone else takes over Torchwood, not Ianto. Also RTD states it was done to define and develop Jack's character. That is who the show was written for to begin with. I will still love and support Torchwood.
I`m glad they gave clearity about that and that RTD sticks with his comments.
Yes,the current Torchwood is Jack,he has rebuild it in the Doctors name.
In a sense Jack is Torchwood after all those years
It will be interesting to see how things are going from here.

So,like you Meef,I love and support Torchwood,because it is still unique

[JUDE]

I was also one of the people who said that I would not be watching Torchwood again. I was so angry that they killed off Ianto, but having time to think about it, I am gradually resigned to the fact now.

Even if Torchwood does come back, the chances are it will not until at least Autumn 2010 or at the very worst 2011. Also the BBc will probally show it as One week event as per COE, so unless Jack, Gwen and Rhys are in it, there is no way that anyone is going to get attached to the new characters as they did with the old.

I watched Torchwood mainly for Gareth and it his career that I want to follow and if the only thing he does is Torchwood, I do not fancy waiting for nearly 2 years until I see him again. By only hope with this campaign is that Heads of Drama at BBC realise what a wonderful actor he is and the following he has and gives him some work to do. I can really see Gareth in some hard hitting drama.

Though if after all the uproar has died down and RTD reconsiders his position with Ianto, I will not complain after all he never said that Gareth would never be coming back.

[AuraTodd]

What other programes has Garath been in?

[barnsleyman]

What other programes has Garath been in?

I don't think he's starred in a lot, but guested on a few things. I'm sure that'll change in the future. Hers his page on IMDB
www.imdb.com/name/nm1496173/ (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1496173/)

[copernicus]

Its been very interesting to see and read other peoples reactions to the killing off of Ianto. Whilst I will miss him as a character I am not one of those "bring him back at all costs" fans. If he has been killed off then so be it. Torchwood is and always will be about the character of Jack. What has both saddened and annoyed me has been the atitude of R.T.D. Whilst apreciating that he is the creator of the series and he can do what he wants with the characters and take the programme in any direction he wishes, I think his attitude to the fan reaction has been very poor. There is no doubt that his whole reaction to the negative coments posted on the web has been "tough - get a life - grow up - its only fiction - if you dont like it dont watch it - its my show and I can do what I want ". That to me shows that he doesnt give two hoots about the fans of the show but he forgets if he alienates the fans then people might and I use the word might, refuse to watch any further programmes he writes/produces. He could quickly find himself going from hero to zero in a very short space of time.
As an after thought has anyone who runs this website tried to contact R.T.D. with a view to asking him to address fans concerns ?

[AuraTodd]

sadly this is true. I write fiction and hope to get something published, I wouldn't treat people like this. It's the fans that make the show :)

[peanutbutter]

Its been very interesting to see and read other peoples reactions to the killing off of Ianto. Whilst I will miss him as a character I am not one of those "bring him back at all costs" fans. If he has been killed off then so be it. Torchwood is and always will be about the character of Jack. What has both saddened and annoyed me has been the atitude of R.T.D. Whilst apreciating that he is the creator of the series and he can do what he wants with the characters and take the programme in any direction he wishes, I think his attitude to the fan reaction has been very poor. There is no doubt that his whole reaction to the negative coments posted on the web has been "tough - get a life - grow up - its only fiction - if you dont like it dont watch it - its my show and I can do what I want ". That to me shows that he doesnt give two hoots about the fans of the show but he forgets if he alienates the fans then people might and I use the word might, refuse to watch any further programmes he writes/produces. He could quickly find himself going from hero to zero in a very short space of time.

RTD wasn't addressing 'the fans', he was reacting to a very small part of fandom, who said much worse things about RTD and the other writers to begin with.

[adskinner]

At the end of the day, we need to remember than Torchwood is a drama and the thing about drama, it only works when its dramatic, not when everyone is happy and cheery all the time. I know when a character we love in a drama is killed we can be annoyed, sad, dissapointed and vent our frustrations at the writers and producers (although not at the level that RTD and poor James Moran have had, I suggest you read Moran's blog to see what I mean), but that is the way drama works, it's a medium about storytelling and character development and I suppose for Jack to go on the next stage of his development and his journey, Ianto had to die. I know I've wrote on these pages about how I can be annoyed at RTD for going the "let's inflict pain on my characters" route, and whilst I think there are sometimes workarounds as opposed to going down the route of, "let's kill someone, that's dramatic", sometimes that's just the thing that needs to be done. It's a lesson I've learned whilst watching The X Files, Buffy, Angel and 24 over the years. Death is a part of life and it's is also a part of storytelling. I was very annoyed about Ianto's death at the time, of course I was, but as time has passed, I think it's time we take stock and look at the bigger picture.

In saying that, I still have never gotten over Deep Throat's death at the end of season one of The X Files. Then again I was ten at the time. :sad:

[barnsleyman]

I really don't get how people say RTD has been disrespectful to the fans, I've not seen any evidence of that in any of his interviews I really haven't. On the contrarty although a lot of 'fans' have been extremely disrespectful to him he has responded in a very measured way. He's not been abusive, he's not responded in the same childish way that some people have spoken about him.

Just because he doesn't bow to every wish that some people express doesn't mean he's been disrespectful. I don't see any reason why he should come on here and explain himself. He has given interviews about COE and about the reactionsome people have had. And in every one of the interviews I've read, he's been extemely polite, I really can't understand people saing that he hasn't.

He's made some tounge in cheek remarks (about supernatural for example) but if people can't take those remarks in the spirit they are said in and smile at them then it is a very bad situation indeed. They are humerous tounge in cheek remarks. Believe me if I was in RTD shoes and responding to some of the uncalled for downright rude comments that have been made to him, my response would be far less measured and polite, I simply wouldn't deam so many of the abusive comments worthy of a response, and if I did respond it wouldn't be as politely as RTD has been I can assure you.

It's not the fans who make the show actually. There are a very few percentage of people who watch Torchwood who are 'fans' It's actually the general viewing public who make the show. It's those who make up most of the millions of viewers. And it's those who you need to hook hoping that they'll come back to watch more and subsequently warrent another series, and that's what's happened. The success of COE is largely due to the generall viewing public and has very little to do with the fans.

If everyone who's a member of this (or any other fansite) were to stop watching RTD work it would have little impact, however if we were the ONLY ones who contunued to watch his work abd the general viewing population no longer watched, then guess what??? He wouldn't be writing or producing work for TV for much longer!!!

[jasemine61]

nice blog...james Moran

http://jamesmoran.blogspot.com/2009/07/ ... -back.html (http://jamesmoran.blogspot.com/2009/07/stepping-back.html)

[adskinner]

Poor guy, it seems like he really got some rough treatment online.

[jasemine61]

Mr Moran talks about a book of short stories titled Torchwqood :Consequences...sounds very interesting and its due in October in England. I hope it debuts at the same time here in USA.

[jasemine61]

it sure looks like...but he sounds tough(grin)

[barnsleyman]

nice blog...james Moran

http://jamesmoran.blogspot.com/2009/07/ ... -back.html (http://jamesmoran.blogspot.com/2009/07/stepping-back.html)

That's a great blog, and certainly puts into perspective the negative, and downright abusive reaction some 'fans' have had compared to his very polite and respectful reply. Really if anyone has made such awful insults and remarks as he mentioned then it really is time they stop watching the show.

[jasemine61]

I totally agree with you...they have gone way to far...they are not really fans of the show if they behave in such a way. :na: :na: