Personally I Dont Belive That .....

[Tosh2]

Ok so i was having this conversation with Electrox-Girl the other nite and we where talking about day 4,
and i was saying that i dont actully think hes offically dead because for one
yeah ok they dont have the hub but they havent logged Ianto's death on the computer thing
and also they havent put his body in the mortary.

Also in one of the episodes (cant remember maybe day 3 or 4),in 1965 jack gave up the 12 children for the antidote
but do we actully know what the antidote is for?
so that could be used to save Ianto?

Also why would RTD tell us about Ianto's Dad, maybe there's more to that than we think another storyline maybe?
(maybe why Jack dosent want to get involved with Ianto is that Jack knows somthing about ianto's family past?)

I just dont think we have seen the last of Ianto Jones, or indeed Torchwood for ever.

You Never Know What The Future May Hold!

[mod="Timeless-II":1w4efuq7]I've amended your thread title, as it was somewhat spoilerish :wink:[/mod:1w4efuq7]

[kolo]

Did you see how pale he was? He's dead.

[ElectroxGirl]

He is dead. Sure they might bring him back one day but he's definitely dead now. Jack wouldn't have been so broken if he was alive.

[* laurie *]

the storys over though and he died, and im definetly one of the ones who thinks if they brought him back it would cheapen his stunning exit, im not saying its impossible he wont come back though cos its a sci-fi show at the end of the day i just dont know if it will happen

[Tosh2]

Did you see how pale he was? He's dead.

Yeah but this is Torchwood we are talking about anything could happen!

[kolo]

Straws...clutching them... :wink:

[Tumnus]

I thought they might've killed the aliens which would have reversed the effects and given out "life" or some aura across the soundwaves that would have brought Ianto back.

But it didn't so that's me put back in my box :pullface:

[Tosh2]

Thats what i was thinking but it dident happen
:(

[scoop1107]

Did you see how pale he was? He's dead.

Seeing how pale he was was what made me believe he was actually dead. I thought there might be a twist before that, but once we'd seen the body I knew he wasn't coming back.

[emz.buckley]

Just because he is dead here doesn't mean he can't come back. The great thing about scifi is that you can bring characters back and it doesn't cheapen what has happened before hand. There are loads of eps in Star Trek where they bring people back and it has really worked well and not felt cheap. I must admit, it does depend on the writer.

There are plenty of ways that Ianto could still come back, and there are a lot of fans who are determind that he will come back, so RTD, watch out, lol. I mean there is the rift, time travelling and the fact that Jack is immortal, any of those could bring about a great story line where Ianto returns. ( I will say that i have been watching scifi for a long time and so has my mum and we have come up with a lot of different and plausable ways for him to come back and it not be tacky.)

[ElectroxGirl]

There are plenty of ways that Ianto could still come back, and there are a lot of fans who are determind that he will come back, so RTD, watch out, lol. I mean there is the rift, time travelling and the fact that Jack is immortal, any of those could bring about a great story line where Ianto returns. ( I will say that i have been watching scifi for a long time and so has my mum and we have come up with a lot of different and plausable ways for him to come back and it not be tacky.)
I've been trying to come up with ways to bring him back and there are loads! I just hope whoever writes series 4 (if we get it) they'll bring him back.

[Timeless-II]

Just because he is dead here doesn't mean he can't come back. The great thing about scifi is that you can bring characters back and it doesn't cheapen what has happened before hand. ...)

I beg to differ - Rose didn't die, I know, BUT, bringing her back simply RUINED 'Doomsday' for me.
... bringing Ianto back from the dead, would cheapen EVERYTHING about Day4, possibly even the entire series.

[kolo]

[quote="emz.buckley":1gw100ww]Just because he is dead here doesn't mean he can't come back. The great thing about scifi is that you can bring characters back and it doesn't cheapen what has happened before hand. ...)

I beg to differ - Rose didn't die, I know, BUT, bringing her back simply RUINED 'Doomsday' for me.
... bringing Ianto back from the dead, would cheapen EVERYTHING about Day4, possibly even the entire series.[/quote:1gw100ww]

Yep, with you there. Sure I miss Ianto but if, yet again, RTD couldn't kill off a character for good I'd be pissed.

[JohnB]

the storys over though and he died, and im definetly one of the ones who thinks if they brought him back it would cheapen his stunning exit, im not saying its impossible he wont come back though cos its a sci-fi show at the end of the day i just dont know if it will happen

Yeah...I have to agree. I feel it would cheapen his exit, and the final moment with Jack.

[Lennon]

the storys over though and he died, and im definetly one of the ones who thinks if they brought him back it would cheapen his stunning exit, im not saying its impossible he wont come back though cos its a sci-fi show at the end of the day i just dont know if it will happen

It would cheapen his exit by about 1.722%, but his come back would be entirely shocking and I'd probably have a burst of adrenaline and run nude outside screaming like a school girl until the cops show up.

Bring him back :cryin:

[CLay]

It would cheapen his exit by about 1.722%, but his come back would be entirely shocking and I'd probably have a burst of adrenaline and run nude outside screaming like a school girl until the cops show up.

Bring him back :cryin:
send us a video then, please :laugh:

[niamhbrennan1]

Hi There,

I've been a fan of torchwood from the beginning even series one which was improved on in series two even though I was disappointed that Toshiko had to die I really liked her and was hoping to see her character grow.

I've just seen series three ...... and am in denial ........

I can't believe they killed Ianto, not only is he eye candy, he really turned into a deeper, cooler character with great one liners.

I will be utterly disgusted if they don't attempt to resurrect him in future Torchwood but I'm not holding my breathe (2010 is a hell of a long time to wait).

They could definitely manage to bring Ianto back without it being tacky, how about Ianto coming through the rift from a parallel universe, I know it's been done in other programmes but it's a classic and would keep all of us Iamto fans happy.

[KarySky]

I haven't even seen Children of Earth, I am soooo pissed off at his death that I don't think I even wanna watch it anyway :(

[Dani]

I have seen Children on Earth last weekend and I am sooo sad that Ianto must die. :sad: Perhaps we have the luck and they will bring him back someday. But I don't really believe it gives a new Season of the series. It would not be Torchwood how we know it.

[xvoguex]

I personally don't see him coming back. I would love to see him back.

But you never know.

I'll put this under a spoiler for DW

[spoiler:1mq6tf0v]Looks like John Simm is back as the Master if the rumours are true. so they could bring back Ianto.[/spoiler:1mq6tf0v]

[owlpost1992]

When Jack bought Ianto back to life in Cyberwoman by sharing his life energies, I thought he'd do the same again or at least show there was some after effect that they never thought of. In Impossible Planet when they mentioned they were part of the Torchwood Archives I was so proud of Ianto for turning a job into his own organisation and making it just as big an important but now there aren't any Archives to show for close to 1,000 dead employees.

[Lennon]

I personally don't see him coming back. I would love to see him back.

But you never know.

I'll put this under a spoiler for DW

[spoiler:j17mlx30]Looks like John Simm is back as the Master if the rumours are true. so they could bring back Ianto.[/spoiler:j17mlx30]

:beg: :beg: :beg:

[Kaleidoscope]

but do we actully know what the antidote is for?

They said it was for a virus which would kill millions of people. The virus wasn't death or a poison. It was just a virus. Ianto died of poisening. So even if the antidote was still around (which I doubt) it wouldn't be helpful anyway.

IF they did bring Ianto back. I'd be happy he was back but sad because it'd be too silly for words. I miss Ianto but I don't want the writers to bend to the desires of begging fans.

[Timeless-II]

What she^^^ said...

[Captain James Harper]

When Jack bought Ianto back to life in Cyberwoman by sharing his life energies, I thought he'd do the same again or at least show there was some after effect that they never thought of. In Impossible Planet when they mentioned they were part of the Torchwood Archives I was so proud of Ianto for turning a job into his own organisation and making it just as big an important but now there aren't any Archives to show for close to 1,000 dead employees.
When I pointed out that Jack could do that, people refused to believe it :D

On Topic...
Ianto's dead. It doesn't matter if he was seen being officially logged off on the hub, or put in the Hub's storage facility, given that he died in a government facility, it's pretty safe to believe that they're going to have the facilities to make arrangements for his body to be stored, and access the Torchwood Server.

Bringing him back to life (for any reason) would simply be admitting that his death was nothing more than a brutal (and unnecessary) manipulation of people's emotions.

That's not to say that he might not feature in some kind of flashback, or time-travel, but, given that the entire series of Torchwood looks pretty much dead in the water right now, I don't think Ianto will be returning to our screens any time soon...

[Timeless-II]

When Jack bought Ianto back to life in Cyberwoman by sharing his life energies, I thought he'd do the same again or at least show there was some after effect that they never thought of. In Impossible Planet when they mentioned they were part of the Torchwood Archives I was so proud of Ianto for turning a job into his own organisation and making it just as big an important but now there aren't any Archives to show for close to 1,000 dead employees.
When I pointed out that Jack could do that, people refused to believe it :D
...

And this time I ignored it, or else we'd be in a timeloop... :wink:

As an aside though - is this something generally represented in fanfic? I don't read fanfic, so am just interested to know.

[Captain James Harper]

And this time I ignored it, or else we'd be in a timeloop... :wink:

As an aside though - is this something generally represented in fanfic? I don't read fanfic, so am just interested to know.

:D

I don't read fanfics (even though I'm actually working on a little something right now...)

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But I certainly felt from the episodes, that that was what was being presented as happening...

[Anette_Vuorinen]

I love Ianto, and I was really upset when he died but I don't want him to die.
Because of the job in Torchwod and how much danger they're in the barley live past 30 (unless you're Jack) so the characters won't be there forever.
It ruins their death if the bring them back.
And they brought Owen back, they won't bring back another

[JUDE]

But Owen came back broken, a completely difference person than what he was previously and he had to learn to accept what he had become (It is human drama that makes is care about a programme).

Bringing Ianto back would not cheapen his death at all (Dean died in Supernatural and went to hell, but surprise they brought it back in the next series - but again he came back changed and could not understand why he was so special to be given a second chance)

Ianto could be brought back as people has said from a parraell universe or some alien could give him life again, but he could have no memories of Torchwood Cardiff and espically Jack. Jack could be so scared of loosing Ianto again that he pushes him away.

If we don't care about the character, you might as well create Torchwood with a "Monster for the Week" storyline, but I can tell you then that Series four would be the last.

[Kazzie]

He's dead, properly dead by the looks of it.

Of course, if Torchwood were ever to go down the ressurection root again I wouldn't be suprised. This is sci fi after all.

IDK, part of me really wants Ianto back, put part of me just thinks it would cheapen a bloody good death scene.

[libraryelf]

I've noticed something, the deaths of characters on happen the same way they were hired. Susie was there the longest and she died twice, then Tosh and then Owen twice. Ianto was hired next and then he dies. Gwen is starting a family and so she may be with Torchwood full time.

Just a random thought. I get to see COE starting on Monday.

[Captain James Harper]

But Owen came back broken, a completely difference person than what he was previously and he had to learn to accept what he had become (It is human drama that makes is care about a programme).

Bringing Ianto back would not cheapen his death at all (Dean died in Supernatural and went to hell, but surprise they brought it back in the next series - but again he came back changed and could not understand why he was so special to be given a second chance)

Ianto could be brought back as people has said from a parraell universe or some alien could give him life again, but he could have no memories of Torchwood Cardiff and espically Jack. Jack could be so scared of loosing Ianto again that he pushes him away.

If we don't care about the character, you might as well create Torchwood with a "Monster for the Week" storyline, but I can tell you then that Series four would be the last.
When Dean died, the writers already knew what they were going to do, and the rest of the cast was still in place. With Torchwood, there is literally only Gwen and Reece, and whatever characters like Lois, Martha etc they might want to introduce to the series, but let's be totally honest and look at the facts here. Gareth has said that he was written out of the series. He said he would be happy to work with fellow cast/crew again on different projects but he said nothing about returning to Torchwood. JB has a part in a west end show. I can't see him re-appearing in Doctor Who or Torchwood other than as one off episode appearances, and to be honest, I can't see season four even happening. I don't think the Dean's death and Ianto's death can be compared, simply because of the status of the shows themselves.


My personal opinion, is that RTD finished Torchwood in such a way as to make it impossible to continue in a credible fashion. The way he brought Rose back in Doctor Who, only to have her once more exiled to a parallel dimension was not credible at all, but rather a case of clutching at straws and trying to weave it into something. Personally, I think that as a writer/producer, he's burned himself out and produced whatever good work he had in him. Any output from this point onwards, I can only see as being inferior to what has come before.

[nightowl]

Hard to say that when we haven't seen what a season four may be like.

JB is only doing a limited fall run of La Cage, with panto afterwards. Eve's due in the late fall as well, so any shooting would occur in the spring, given that's enough time to get the scripts done. With reports of people working on scripts (perhaps speculatively) for season four, it's pretty much anything goes at this point.

The possibilities for what could be done are limited to the imaginations of the writers at this point. And I do think that RTD had a definite direction for where he wanted Jack to go.

It just remains to be seen as to where it will go.

[JUDE]

Does anyone think the writers, production crew, cast etc expected the amount of upset that they have had over killing Ianto.

I know that they knew Ianto was popular, as he has been saved from axing twice already in the past series.

[Captain James Harper]

Hard to say that when we haven't seen what a season four may be like.

JB is only doing a limited fall run of La Cage, with panto afterwards. Eve's due in the late fall as well, so any shooting would occur in the spring, given that's enough time to get the scripts done. With reports of people working on scripts (perhaps speculatively) for season four, it's pretty much anything goes at this point.

The possibilities for what could be done are limited to the imaginations of the writers at this point. And I do think that RTD had a definite direction for where he wanted Jack to go.

It just remains to be seen as to where it will go.

Oh for sure, anything could happen, I was just giving my own personal thoughts on the situation, I could certainly be proved wrong :) Of course, any spring shooting might clash with the next series of Doctor Who, and, while I know RTD isn't attached to it as producer anymore, I'd be very surprised if the beeb aired both shows simultaneously...

That said, if they do decide to go for a 4th season, would Gwen actually accept Jack's return from such an exit? When he left with the Doctor, it was pretty clear that she stepped in as leader, but when Jack returned (as it was for a good reason) she allowed him to resume command. I'm not so sure that she'd do that again... Only time will tell :)

[Captain James Harper]

Does anyone think the writers, production crew, cast etc expected the amount of upset that they have had over killing Ianto.

I know that they knew Ianto was popular, as he has been saved from axing twice already in the past series.
That's an interesting point... I think it's safe to say that the resurrection plan was switched to Owen, simply because as a character, he was the one with the most to lose from such a 'change in status', so that was purely what was best for the plot, rather than character popularity... It'd certainly be interesting to know if they had expected this level of feeling about it.

[nightowl]

Jude, I think one could equate the fan reaction to that of the death of Spock in Trek fandom. I do think that Trek fandom is a lot larger, and back in the 80's they didn't have the same way of getting their shock out that fans do nowadays, but I would think that the writers knew exactly what the reaction would be, based on their own experiences at conventions and the like.

James, I believe in the past that TW and DW actually shot back to back in terms of schedule, with one show doing the night shift while the other did the day shift. It allowed them to maximize the utilization of their crews, and was more economical.

As for Gwen accepting Jack back - that's a good question. It depends on how long he's gone for, and what happens. But I could see her welcoming him back. Whether it's to hand over the organization she has rebuilt remains to be seen, and perhaps that will be part of the story. I think in some ways, Gwen would welcome Jack back in any way he chooses to return. She loves him, after all. But from an organization standpoint, that may be another story.

That will be seen if a season 4 actually happens.

[Captain James Harper]

James, I believe in the past that TW and DW actually shot back to back in terms of schedule, with one show doing the night shift while the other did the day shift. It allowed them to maximize the utilization of their crews, and was more economical.

As for Gwen accepting Jack back - that's a good question. It depends on how long he's gone for, and what happens. But I could see her welcoming him back. Whether it's to hand over the organization she has rebuilt remains to be seen, and perhaps that will be part of the story. I think in some ways, Gwen would welcome Jack back in any way he chooses to return. She loves him, after all. But from an organization standpoint, that may be another story.

That will be seen if a season 4 actually happens.
Ahh, I see what you mean, so yes, that certainly could be a possibility :) That said, given that they are introducing a new actor in the role of the Doctor, I think any follow on from CoE (if aired too close together) could potentially take attention away from Doctor Who... I must admit, at the moment, I am not convinced that they have cast the right actor for the role, but, I'm prepared to wait and see how he performs on screen before making a final decision :)

Yes, I can understand that Gwen might want to see Jack again as a friend, but, on the other hand, would she be able to forgive him for running away like that... I'm really not so sure. I can't see her handing the reins back as easily as she did at the beginning of S2 (and even that was a gradual process, rather than immediate 'no questions asked' relinquishing of command) Interesting times ahead, to be sure :)

[The doctor11]

hes dead and it would ruin TW if they brought him back

[piper1921]

i think there are string you along and that gareth has to say he won,t come back but he really is coming back but he can,t say because there want you to wait and see till next year. because there is gonig to be another season there said so in a interview so there is another season next year and said that john in it beause he is the show if it was not for him there would not be a show it not because of gwen it because of john who plays jack. and i think ianto will come back because when there kissed last jack put something in to him and now he can,t died now like Jack and then there be together forever. he needs someone to be with him forever and it think that should be ianto because there good together.

[SerenityChaos]

If they bring back Ianto then that moment between him and Jack before he died would've been for nothing.

[Cayendi]

If they bring back Ianto then that moment between him and Jack before he died would've been for nothing.
Unless they bring Ianto back as a ghost they way I've been imagining it ...
to me, bringing him back that way, would not lessen his death or that moment at all

[Meef]

I think we discussed Ghost Ianto in another topic Anita, you were there, :hugs: or am I dreaming, may I have to get out of the land of Oz once and for all!

I love the idea of Ghost Ianto and only Jack can see him. :laugh:

[ElectroxGirl]

I'd love to see ghost Ianto! RTD keeps saying he's definitely dead and staying that way but he hasn't said there's no possible way for Ianto to come back (like as a ghost)

[Cayendi]

I think we discussed Ghost Ianto in another topic Anita, you were there, :hugs: or am I dreaming, may I have to get out of the land of Oz once and for all!

I love the idea of Ghost Ianto and only Jack can see him. :laugh:
I know we did :)

I'm still trying to figure out how to get that idea across to RTD ...

I'd love to see ghost Ianto! RTD keeps saying he's definitely dead and staying that way but he hasn't said there's no possible way for Ianto to come back (like as a ghost)Exactly!!!
I don't mind Ianto staying dead, as long as he comes back :D

[Kaleidoscope]

Haha! I would so buy an Ianto ghost story. He'd just stalk Jack around the new Hub, making sarcastic comments about everything and probably about his own death. And when Jack would want to yell at him, he'd just float through a wall :laugh:

Okay thinking about it too much :wink:

[CLay]

I don't mind Ianto staying dead, as long as he comes back :D
:laugh2:
would like that. very much.

[Cayendi]

Haha! I would so buy an Ianto ghost story. He'd just stalk Jack around the new Hub, making sarcastic comments about everything and probably about his own death. And when Jack would want to yell at him, he'd just float through a wall :laugh:

Okay thinking about it too much :wink:
Exactly, Ianto's dry wit in Ghost form :D that's what I've been thinking of (and rambling about in other threads)
because, even in death, Torchwood is Ianto's life!!!

[piper1921]

yeah that could happen or there could just bring him back like there did with owen by a glove what bring people back and the unit bring him back because there have one like torchwood and briong him back without jack and ask him but then he can,t go back and jack find out and get mad at unit for not tellnig him and bad at then from bring ianto bakc when all he want was for him to rest.